In this episode of Leader Up, host David Howey sits down with Frank Wenzel, Director of the Army Management Staff College (AMSC), to discuss the evolution of leadership development within the Army Civilian Corps. Mr. Wenzel reflects on his two years in the role, sharing insights on the strategic shifts AMSC has undertaken to better meet the Army’s current and future needs. The conversation delves into key topics like policy changes, the importance of investing in leader development, and the critical role AMSC plays in shaping supervisors and leaders within the Army civilian workforce. One significant change discussed is the recent elimination of constructive credit for civilian supervisors who previously attended certain military education courses. Mr. Wenzel explains how this change ensures that civilian supervisors now complete the Civilian Education System (CES) courses designed specifically for their unique roles, bringing more consistency and value to leadership development across the Army Civilian Corps. Thank you for listening to Leader Up! For questions, suggestions, or feedback, write us usarmy.leavenworth.tradoc.mbx.armyu-amsc-podcast@army.mil. To learn more about the Army Management Staff College, visit our website at https://armyuniversity.edu/amsc/ No DOD or U.S. ARMY ENDORSEMENT IMPLIED. Any references to commercially available products or works are used for research and educational purposes only. Mention of any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise does not constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the U.S. Army, Department of Defense, or the United States Government. The views and opinions of the authors expressed herein do not state or reflect those of the United States Government and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. The mention of companies by name is solely for the purpose of representing educational framework and should not be implied as endorsement. Music: “Carolina” (Intro) & “Fort Scott” (Outro) composed by David Howey