We meet with Col. Dwayne Wagner, U.S. Army, Retired, to discuss his Military Review article titled “We Have Come a Long Ways... We Have a Ways to Go” and his personal journey as an African American Army officer and Army civilian. Col. (Ret.) Wagner's article is available at: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/journals/military-review/online-exclusive/2021-ole/wagner/ For questions, suggestions, or feedback, write us at usarmy.leavenworth.tradoc.mbx.armyu-amsc-podcast@army.mil To learn more about the Army Management Staff College, visit our website at https://armyuniversity.edu/amsc No DOD or U.S. ARMY ENDORSEMENT IMPLIED. Any references to commercially available products or works are used for research and educational purposes only. Mention of any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise does not constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the U.S. Army, Department of Defense, or the United States Government. The views and opinions of the authors expressed herein do not state or reflect those of the United States Government and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. The mention of companies by name is solely for the purpose of representing educational framework and should not be implied as endorsement.