Hey everybody. We are back. The three Amigos. We're excited to be talking to you today about Chris, what are we talking about? Today we're going to finish up followership on episode 18. We began discussing our two-part discussion of followership, and we ended with discussing Kelly typology of followership. Gotcha. Wayne, how are you? Good, man. How are you? Living the life, my brother, trying to get my blood pressure down. But other than that, I'm doing good. Everybody else. Good. Chris doing great. Good Jayden. That's our dog. This with it. She might hear her snoring. She's our mascot. We love her. All right, let's get rolling. All right. So the last time we ended with Kelly typology, and I'll give a quick review of that. Kelly typology is the most recognized form of followership. It comes from Robert Kelly in his book, "The Power of Followership". And he argues that the power of followers usually goes unrecognized. Would you guys agree with that? Sure. Wayne, what do you think. Yes. He also argues that followers are a vital part of leadership. And he emphasized that the motivations of followers and their behavior is used to shape leadership and. The goal of Kelly's typology is to become what's called an exemplary follower. Gotcha. And it's important that we put this down in later as we finish this up and at the end, we'll have some scripture, but the main goal for us as Christians is to follow Christ. Absolutely. We follow him as our example, we understand the importance of being a follower. And I don't know if we teach that enough. I think sometimes. We we do the old lead follower get out of my way and I get it, but I think we need to follow. And sometimes we don't teach that enough in the church. So you're absolutely right. Just a second thought there, we don't teach much about following it all. We'll teach you how to be a good leader. But how to be a good follower that never comes up. Never an ultimately. That's our calling is to follow Christ. What do you think Wayne? I think a good leader has to be a follower. Then we got to follow somebody. Absolutely. Amen. Amen. So according to Kelly. Followers have two styles. And this is again what we went over in the last episode. They have independent and critical thinking or their depended and uncritical thinking. And of those two dimensions, you get five follower types. The passive followers, these are the sheep and they look to the leader for everything, both the direction and motivation. And you get conformist. Those were yes, people. And they're always on the leader side and they still look to the leader for guidance and direction. Then you get the alienated followers. These people think for themselves, and they have a lot of negative energy and they're usually always against the leader. The fourth type is a pragmatic followers and these are the fence sitters. They support the status quo, but they don't get on board until everybody else does. And the last is the exemplary followers. These are the star followers. These are our goals. What's another name for an exemplary follower, Dave. That's a good question. Have you ever had someone that you consider to be a really good follower? You are really close to them and you may even call them friend. Sure absolutely. I've got a verse for us here. This is in John 15:15. Jesus says no longer do I call you servants for the servant does not know what his master is doing, but I've called you friends for all that I ever heard from my father. I have made known to you. That's good. One of the things that I want to make sure we get across. This isn't being passive aggressive. This is actually following someone you believe in. And when you do that and when you have people do that for you, ultimately I think Wayne. Put it really good. Just a few minutes ago. We're all following something. We are. And if we're following ourself, we're in destruction mode. And so we need to really think on who we're following while...