Dmitry Vilesky and Olga Egorova/Tsaplya give a deep insight not only into Chto Delat's history and their individual relationship to language, but also into the political situation in Russia, which caused them to flee St. Petersburg in a hurry a few weeks ago. During the conversation, recorded in Brandenburg on October 31, 2022, they share their knowledge about historical and current cultural struggles in Russia, and they also share their feelings about dehumanization, tenderness and their new situation as political refugees in Germany. What does it mean for them to be Russian artists today? And what will they do in the future? Dmitry Vilesky and Olga Egorova/Tsaplya co-founded the Russian collective Chto Delat in 2003. Since then they have collaborated on numerous exhibitions and publications worldwide. Since many years Chto Delat is considered to be the most important voice of contemporary art from Russia.