PART 2 Renzo Martens became widely recognized almost overnight when he first published his film Enjoy Poverty in 2008. This film became one of the internationally most debated art works due to its stark provocation. The conversation with Alexander Koch looks deeply into Martens motives to play the controversial role in the art world that he has chosen to assume. It adresses the fundamental inequalities that fund and shape contemporary art, showing artworld insiders how complicit they are in the violence they may believe to critique while actually perpetuating an extractivist modus operandum. This is not just a podcast - it is in parts a manifesto for fair play, for justice and equality, for restitiution, and for an overdue change of the institutions and economics of (critical) art.