Elise and Ori talk about two contrasting approaches to kink/sex space. What does it look like when you go into a play session with set goals, and what does it look like when you just want to explore and see what happens? There are a few valiant attempts to stay on topic but not before delving through a barrage of food kink realizations, Elises recurring humiliation glory hole fantasy, and an unfortunate bit of accountant kink shaming.