How can you become a compassionate leader?  Well, we think taking a leaf out of HPMA’s Chief Executive Officer Julie Rogers’s book is a great place to start. In our latest episode of the Kinder Conversations podcast, Tim Keogh had the opportunity to speak to Julie about the unkind behaviours we see in the public sector, HMPA’s fantastic Avoiding Harm Movement and how being honest is sometimes the kindest we can be.    Tune in to discover:  🔵 The importance of connecting with those you work with, especially as a member of leadership  🟣 A discussion around the harm employee investigations can cause  🔵 How to respond, not react, to situations  🟣 Why we need to give honest feedback to staff  🔵 The hidden harms of agile and hybrid working  🟣 The importance of holding a mirror up to yourself and your own behaviours   🔵 How Julie continues to show up for her staff and lead with kindness