A Kim Hill interview with Professor Emeritus of Māori Studies at Auckland University, Dr Ranginui Walker, who had recently updated his book 'Ka Whawhai Tonu Mātou: Struggle Without End'. An educator and historian, Dr Walker was a biographer of Sir Apirana Ngata and of the master carver Paki Harrison. He was also a commentator and his columns in the Listener magazine ran for 20 years.