This is an enriching conversation with a deep thinker who does a lot of work advising Boards and CEOs.  Or as her bio says she "gets sh*t done for equality and inclusion."   We explore a number of themes that Michelle focuses on with leaders.  She talks me through a common question that she asks about whether leaders would build an organisation the same way again, the answer is frequently intriguing.  In exploring this theme, Michelle invites leaders to think about the person they care most about and whether they would want that person to work with their organisation.  More often than not, asking senior people to think about a time about when they had no influence is the 'ah hah' moment that precedes a more diverse approach.   A key area of focus for Michelle is coaching clients to examine  how be thoughtful and create high performing teams while working remotely.  We discuss the fact that people feeling included, valued and respected are absolutely key in attracting, retaining and advancing all parts of a diverse workforce.   We talk about careers that 'soar' and the global platform that Michelle is establishing to support professionals who don't have access to women's leadership training program.   This is a really inspiring listen which really energised me seven months in to working from home and home schooling during this global pandemic.   Katie Talks is hosted by Katie Bennett-Stenton, who you can find at @KatiebMarketing on Twitter or Katie@bennett-stenton.com.   Disclaimer this podcast is a personal project, not associated with my professional role.