Dr. Joe Rigney joins Kira to talk about empathy - what is it, why is it so destructive and how have we misunderstood it both in the church and society in general? Rigney discusses his new book, “The Sin of Empathy,” and why we need to “sober-minded” rather than peddlers of pity.  “The main virtue that I commend is sober-mindedness. This is, another biblical term. And if you think about what does the word sober-minded mean, well, normally you think of sober in terms of drunkenness and alcohol, right? If you get drunk on alcohol, you're not sober, and so you need to sober up. The basic biblical claim then is you can be drunk on more than just alcohol.” Rigney is Fellow of Theology at New Saint Andrews College. He lives in Moscow, ID with his wife and three sons. Find his book on Amazon or wherever books are sold https://www.amazon.com/Sin-Empathy-Compassion-Its-Counterfeits/dp/B0DV3L5KR3