Does anything mean anything? If so, how do we know? And if all we have are words to define other words, what is the origin of language itself? Poet Amir Sulaiman and rapper Brother Ali are back with Mo and AZ to discuss the origins of the universe, language evolution, and, well, everything.
Guests: Amir Sulaiman, Brother Ali
ORIGINAL AUDIO PRODUCTION, MUSIC & SOUND DESIGN BY SALT
Executive Produced by Mo Amer, Azhar Usman, Noah Gersh, Jamie Schefman, Nick Panama, Kenzi Wilbur
Head of Creative: Jordan Galvan
Head of Production: Liz LeMay
Head of Post Production: Robert Adler
Producers: Imran Ali Malik & Aaron Kennedy
Supervising Producers: Allie Strobel & Alice Bearn
Post Production Supervisor: Aly Honoré
Post Production Coordinator: Jax Raffle
Edited by: Geoffrey Mutchnik and Aaron Kennedy
Sound Design and Music by: Matthew Chilelli
Mixed by: Aaron Kennedy
Recorded by Aaron Kennedy, Zack Djurich and Mario Borgatta
Guest Booking by Drive Entertainment and Hager Eldaas
Additional music courtesy of Extreme Music.
Joking Not Joking is a Luminary Original, and a co-production between SALT, Legally Homeless, Inc., and Numinous Company, Inc.