In 2019, the New York State legislature passed significant bail reform. In 2020, crime spiked nationwide. The MAGA-mired GOP raced to connect the two — and a number of big-name Democrats ran right along. Fast forward to today: Bail reform, albeit amended, remains largely in place — but in New York as elsewhere, crime is on the decline. Host Tish Durkin welcomes Michael Gianaris, Deputy Majority Leader of the New York State Senate and author of the Bail Elimination Act, to take a deep breath and a clear look at what turns out to be the not-remotely-awful truth about ensuring that, as a rule, the unconvicted should also be the unincarcerated.