Leadership in the church isn’t just about gifting—it’s about character. In this episode, David, Ronnie, and Natan continue their exploration of the biblical qualifications for pastors and elders, focusing on traits like self-control, sobermindedness, temperance, and respectability.

We talk about how these traits are essential for godly leadership, especially in a culture that either indulges the flesh or idolizes hyper-discipline. What does it mean to be under the control of the Spirit rather than driven by self-will? And why is that distinction critical for shepherding the church well?