ome men wake up with a fire in their gut to preach the Word. Others get told by someone else, “You should think about being a pastor.” Then they spend months—maybe years—trying to make sense of that comment.

This episode is for the guy trying to figure out what God is doing with his desire, and for the church that’s been given the responsibility to recognize and raise up shepherds. We talk about what it means to aspire to ministry, how that desire gets tested, and why no one should walk this road alone.The calling to pastoral ministry isn’t something you self-assign.

It’s something God confirms through the local church, through character, and through the willingness to do the slow, often unseen work of caring for people’s souls.