Helen and Lori explore the complexities of the spiritual journey, focusing on the pitfalls and challenges that many face. They explore the challenges of starting the spiritual path, the dangers of becoming too spiritual, and the importance of balance and grounding. Lori shares her personal experiences of isolating herself in her quest for spiritual growth, while Helen emphasizes the need to integrate spirituality into everyday life. The conversation delves into the "dark night of the soul," with both hosts sharing their personal experiences and differing perspectives. The episode concludes with practical advice on integrating spirituality into daily routines and the importance of embodying positive changes rather than forcing them.