Katie Martin is one of my closest friends and also one of the most grounded voices in health and fitness. You probably know her from Sweat, Lululemon or marathon training — but in this chat she opens up about the side of wellness no one talks about.

We go deep on the myth of balance, why wellness fatigue is real, the truth about calories and gut health, learning to rest without guilt, and the messy in-between of building a career, moving cities and figuring out love.

It’s honest, a little chaotic, and will probably make you rethink what “healthy” really means.