In this episode of It’s Not That Deep, Llani sits down with her good friend Isaac John — better known as Ice — to unpack the mindset behind his journey from professional footy to building YKTR, navigating loyalty breakdowns, and rediscovering what really matters in life.

From irrational icks to childhood discipline, running a brand like a footy team, and why giving without expecting anything back has been both his superpower and downfall, this is a raw and wide-ranging conversation about success, ego, relationships, and the pursuit of peace.