Welcome to Interstates & HeartDRAKE, where I get IN MY FEELINGS about my journey from 0 TO 100 episodes. Things go from OVO to AMA as I answer listener-submitted questions about :



-- How I cope when I'M UPSET-- TIMELINES as they relate to exclusivity-- What I would do if I had no MORE LIFE to live after 5 months-- BACK TO BACK questions about the biggest lessons I learned from dating my first ex and producing the podcast…and the Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard trial, but I ran out of Drake lyrics.



Jk, here's one more - listen to the end if you want to SEE WHAT'S 'BOUT TO HAPPEN NEXT for Interstates & Heartbreak, OKAY?



Please don't un-follow me because of the Drake puns : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

The heartbreak podcast collab you didn’t know you needed- Interstates & Heartbreak welcomes Thank You Heartbreak host Chelsea Leigh Trescott to discuss reclaiming your breakup experience to “break upward.” She discusses her evolution from serial monogamist to intentionally single, and how her standards have raised along the journey. We discuss the nuances of heartbreak, like breaking your OWN heart by staying in a relationship that doesn’t serve you, or the often ignored heartbreak of being the one to end a relationship.



TRIGGER WARNING: Chelsea reflects on some heavier topics like a suicidal ex (16:27) and dating while struggling with disordered eating (12:05, 22:50, 1:04:40).



For the woman behind the sultry voice : @thankyouheartbreak



For help transitioning from breakup to glow up : chelsea@breakupward.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Harrison Forman and Brandon Berman present a dating experience with all the intrigue of Love is Blind, but without the editing or gold chalices - UpDating. They recount the journey that inspired the live blindfolded reality dating show as it exists today, and the wildest on-stage connections and rejections to-date. We wrap with insights into our own dating lives, including their experience with clout chasers, their hypothesis on my type, Brandon's future UpDating proposal, and Harrison's recent date with a former Interstates & Heartbreak guest.



For DM slides (platonic or otherwise) : @htforman



For platonic DM slides ONLY : @bermmy16



For casting DM slides : @updatingshow (or apply at updatingshow.com)



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Interstates & Heartbreak gets personal today, as I bring my mom back for an encore interview to answer listener-submitted questions! Hear our unfiltered discussion about her thoughts on dating apps, her ideal man, which of my exes was the best, and more.



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Stevie Bowen revisits the early 20's dating stories that inspired her modern Carrie Bradshaw moment - complete with her own version of Mr. Big. She dishes on the men behind the monikers in her memoir, The City of Dating…the one who (unknowingly) took her virginity, the one who fulfilled her sk8tr boi fantasy, the one who viewed protein powder as a food group…and the Charlottes, Mirandas, and Samanthas who were there to gossip with her over brunch the morning after.



For content to help you commiserate over your dating experience : @thecityofdating



For dating confessions that will help you feel better about your own love life : thecityofdating.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Gigi Robinson provides visibility to a typically invisible condition - Ehlers-Danlos syndrome - and recounts the 10+ year journey post-diagnosis that ultimately led her to build a platform dedicated to awareness around chronic illness. She drags the men who've had (FAR) less than ideal responses to her condition in the past, from bouncing mid-makeout, to an attempted religious conversion. She also shares the secrets around confidence and body image that ultimately led her to a Sports Illustrated swim shoot.



To slide into Gigi's DMs about something OTHER than her Sports Illustrated photos: @itsgigirobinson



For all of the ways you can call her, beep her, if you wanna reach her : gigirobinson.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

What happens in Vegas…gets recapped on this week's solo podcast episode as I share a story about a married man who embodies the "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" attitude. I divulge how a night out on a chill mother-daughter Vegas trip raised broader questions around infidelity, the politics of free drinks, and rejection etiquette.



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Jenn and Julien from Ex Appeal podcast address an age old question - can straight men and women TRULY be friends? They share how their relationship evolved from hook up buddies to friends and podcast cohosts, and tackle questions like whether friendship can co-exist with sexual attraction, how much detail your partner needs to know about your past hookups, and whether accountants really need their own podcasts.



For more dating takes from your new favorite exes : @exappealpodcast



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

This week Ryan Black pulls back the curtain on the motives of pick up artists - why they neg, casual sex (and why it's NOT a flex in this case), and their apparent nightclub obsession. He opens up about his own dating journey from prepubescence to present day and how it led him into the PUA community, and the true confidence and self-acceptance he's found since divorcing the game.



TRIGGER WARNING at 1:02:20 (gun violence & suicide mention)



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Jon Birger joins me on this week's episode to discuss shooting your shot - and I'm not talking about March Madness. We discuss his latest book, Make Your Move: The New Science of Dating, to break down what women stand to gain from asking men out. We analyze the sexist "science" that informs traditional dating gender roles, and the evolution into modern philosophies of "If he wanted to, he would." Jon also critiques my own feeble attempts at shooting my shot in years prior, and explains how meeting on Hinge impacts the likelihood of long term success with my current boyfriend.



To order Make Your Move or invite Jon to your book club : jonbirger.com



For more of Jon's musings on modern dating dynamics : @jon_birger1



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Today I'm here solo to discuss reality dating shows and why they have such a hold on us. I analyze how my relationship to Love is Blind and The Bachelor is analogous to and old school Playboy Magazine, and dive into how The Tinder Swindler recently rounded out my trifecta of dating content consumption. I raise all the red flags - both those that foreshadowed the swindler victims' downfall AND the ones that would be showcased in a dating documentary about my own life, raising the question - am I myself Tinder Swindlable? Oh, and Google teaches me how to correctly pronounce "schadenfreude" on air.



To email me your dating show reality thoughts, or your own PERSONAL dating horror stories : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



For dating commentary from my inner Carrie : @interstatesandheartbreak on TikTok



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Today I pull out the gold wine glasses with the ladies of Dope Shit My Therapist Says podcast return to discuss the Love is Blind season 2 finale and reunion. We dive into all of our unfiltered thoughts about the cast - from unofficial therapy diagnoses, to villain "edits," to the couples we stan (and the breakups we stanned more). Most importantly, I share why the reunion inspired me to withdraw my shade around "I'm Nick Lachey, OBVIOUSLY," and "My fiancé is hot like Beyoncé."



For self care in the form of affirmations and validation for all your therapeutic indulgences : @dopeshttherapypod



To hear more dope shit from the perspective of two practicing therapists : Dope Sh*t My Therapist Says podcast



Or email them directly at: dopeshttherapypod@gmail.com



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

This week I interview Gabi Conti, author of Twenty Guys You Date In Your Twenties, and host of Am I Dating A Serial Killer podcast. Before diving into serial killers, we discuss serial dating - from lessons learned, to how going on thirty (yes, THIRTY) dates in one weekend indirectly led to meeting her husband. Gabi dives into how to avoid stranger danger on the apps, and we share our personal experiences of what NOT to do. We close with a discussion around self-proclaimed narcissist Che Diaz, and other pop culture icons with questionable personality traits.



To relive Gabi's Andi Anderson-level dating escapades : @itsgabiconti



To read about the Twenty Guys You Date in Your Twenties, or if you've ever asked yourself "Am I Dating A Serial Killer" : gabiconti.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Marla Goldstein of G-Spot Coaching joins the podcast to discuss your body's biggest sexual organ - the brain. We dive into her mission to help women find emotionally available partners, and identify the early online and IRL red flags that signal someone is emotional UNavailable. We then dissect the attachment styles and their correlation to availability, while analyzing our own attachment tendencies (along with every Love is Blind cast member's).



To see Marla's personal dating app game in action : @gspotcoaching



To let NPR psychoanalyze your dating style : NPR Attachment Style Quiz



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



For dating commentary from my inner Carrie : interstatesandheartbreak.com



For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

This week I interview the Carrie B of Gen Z - author, actress, and influencer Carrie Berk. She candidly recaps her recent experience on the reality show Next Influencer, and how the show reinforced her decision to start dating outside of the influencer bubble. We dissect the male influencer f-boy archetype and the downsides that come with it, ranging from thirst traps to Snapchats. Carrie also pulls back the curtain on the clout chasers and love bombers that come along with so-called glamorous side of dating when you DO have a blue checkmark.



To follow the modern day Carrie Bradshaw : @carrieberkk



For the first scoop on Carrie's upcoming book : www.carrieberk.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

This Valentine's Day I interview none other than my boyfriend to fully dive into the ups and downs of our relationship to date. We discuss how we got together, spanning everything from the lie I told him when we first started talking, a first date that was nearly cancelled night of, and a risque and poorly-timed DTR discussion. From there, Michael admits to sliding back in for an unintentional Valentine's Day rekindling in 2021, and what broke us up in the first place. The episode closes with Michael's answers to listener submitted questions (plus a few bonuses thrown in by me).



For a rare glimpse of Michael on my Instagram : @lesliegnope



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com

This week Liana Pavane and I discuss modern breakups more realistic than Che Diaz's "two-FaceTime" story. She shares how a phone call breakup drove her to break out of toxic dating patterns and explore a "selfship" before getting back out there. We discuss why you need to create your own closure, and concrete steps towards to recovering from a breakup. On the flip side, we outline how to execute good breakup etiquette in regards to timing, location, and depth of explanation - and reflect on our past experiences that served as examples of what NOT to do.



For more modern day ghost stories : @ghosts_ofdatespast



For IRL connections (and to cut down on your screen time) : ttylnyc.com



For all of Liana's dating insights and resources : lianapavane.com



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

This week I'm joined by Lindsey Metselaar of We Met At Acme podcast to discuss the harsh dating truths she learned in her 20s. She confesses to past cringe dating behaviors, like drinking too much or lingering for too long after an early sleepover. We go over the dating rules she now swears by, and how they impact gender dynamics around paying for dates, sleeping with a new partner, and making the first move.



When your group chat's dating advice isn't cutting it: wemetatacme.com



To join in on my poll question addiction : @wemetatacme



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Today I'm joined by Christine Loera, a Story Producer on an infamous (and for the purposes of our interview, anonymous) reality dating show to discuss dating on-screen vs. IRL. We dissect the persona and the traits that correlate to success on reality TV, and contemplate the feasibility of falling in love over the span of a few weeks. Christine opens up about how her job has impacted her own dating life for the positive (by providing an unexpected opening to come out to her parents) and the negative (through setting unrealistic expectations for relationship progress).



To DM Christine and help her reconnect with Daisy Ridley : @misslatinafey



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



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For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope

Today's solo is about doing things solo - even when you have a partner. I discuss my attempt to make Bachelor viewing a couples activity, and broader expectations for shared interests in a relationship. I also reflect on using independence as a coping mechanism against a partner who doesn't prioritize you, and the ways I acted out in response to that feeling in the past.



To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak



For dating commentary from my inner Carrie : interstatesandheartbreak.com



For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com



For a glimpse into my life when I'm not talking about dating : @lesliegnope