From “greenwashing” to “greenhushing,” from sustainability goals to boardroom debates, ESG exposures are fluid and formidable. Learn from Carolyn Rosenberg and Jennifer Smokelin how claims have morphed and how pro-active strategies, including insurance, can be implemented to lower the temperature. ----more---- Transcript:  Intro: Hello and welcome to Insured Success, a podcast brought to you by Reed Smith's insurance recovery lawyers from around the globe. In this podcast series, we explore trends, issues, and topics of interest affecting commercial policyholders. If you have any questions about the topics discussed in this podcast, please contact our speakers at insuredsuccess@reedsmith.com. We'll be happy to assist. Carolyn: Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Insured Success, where today our topic is It's Not Easy Being Green, ESG Claims and Potential Protections. I'm Carolyn Rosenberg. I'm a partner in the Chicago office of Reed Smith in our insurance recovery group, where I work with policyholders in connection with insurance review, as well as handling insurance coverage disputes and all kinds of risk management and corporate governance. My partner, Jennifer Smokelin, who is a partner in Pittsburgh, is steeped in energy and ESG and related issues and is one of our leaders in our ESG initiative. We're delighted that she is here today to help inform us and discuss these important issues. We've certainly talked about all the acronyms, ESG, DEI. Most people are familiar with greenwashing claims and, of course, the newest claim of green hushing. So, Jennifer, to try to hallucinate this a little bit further, when companies are talking about ESG and green hushing, what is the landscape? What is green hushing? Jennifer: Thanks, Carolyn. Companies are talking less these days about ESG in earning calls and marketing materials. But they are mentioning it nearly as frequently as ever in their financial reports and disclosures. The apparent disconnect here suggests that companies haven't fully shelved their sustainability-related goals. They're just talking about them less. There's a number of data points over the past year that indicate that investor interest in ESG has cooled down. Many companies in the last year have exited the Climate 100+, an initiative pushing companies to address environmental issues. However, many companies still recognize that investing in sustainability is important for long-term value creation. So they keep doing the initiatives related to sustainability, just not specifically labeling them as ESG. Companies have adjusted their terminology. As I said, they don't use ESG. They might refer to sustainability instead. We're even seeing some companies talking more in the language of clean air, clean water, and economic opportunity, effective and apparently palatable terms other than ESG. This trend, nicknamed green hushing, stems from a recent tide of ESG backlash and mounting legal considerations. Carolyn: What are some of those mounting legal considerations? Jennifer: In three words, Carolyn, litigation and regulation. From shareholder suits to regulatory actions to class action litigants that have lodged greenwashing claims against companies they accuse of releasing rose-tinted marketing materials. To those of you listening, we strongly recommend you talk to us or the lawyer you regularly deal with at Reed Smith regarding how to address these litigation and regulatory risks. Let me highlight some examples of legal risks and quick upshot regarding specifics to talk to Reed Smith about. First, there is a risk regarding NGO suits. These are suits brought against public companies for allegedly misleading climate change with regard to ESG. The up shot here is that it's important to regularly act on any given ESG commitment in meaningful ways that are grounded in science, regardless of how many years away a particular deadline for an ESG goal might be. We also recommend publicly sharing clear update