In this insightful conversation, Gabor Farkas sits down with Adam Kahane, a renowned author and facilitator known for his work on resolving complex conflicts. Kahane discusses his career, starting from his unexpected journey at Royal Dutch Shell to his pivotal involvement in South Africa's historic dialogues. The conversation delves into his new book, 'Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems,' focusing on the idea of 'stretch collaboration.' Kahane emphasizes the importance of approaching disagreements as opportunities for progress and explains the evolving nature of his work in facilitation. He shares personal anecdotes, such as his transformative experience with the Mont Fleur Scenario Project and his methodology of facilitating multi-stakeholder dialogues. Kahane also reflects on the nuances of neutrality, trust, and agreement in conflict resolution, emphasising the power of incremental progress and understanding one's role within the system. The dialogue concludes with a teaser for the next episode, promising practical tips and deeper dives into the concepts of power, love, and justice in systemic transformation.