In this episode of Inside Legal ESG, Pam speaks with Robert van Beemen of DRB Groep in the Netherlands.  In addition to his role at DRB Groep, Robert also serves as co-chair of the ESG subcommittee of the Law Practice Management Committee of the International Bar Association. In this conversation we discuss his observations around ESG in the legal profession, difficult choices in implementing ESG strategies within law firms, the political environment, and finally, what gives him hope, despite the headwinds in many parts of the world.