When conflict flares up in your organization, do you fuel the fire or douse it with empathy? In this week’s episode of the Inside EMS podcast, Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson break down how to handle interpersonal drama and tough conversations like a leader — with calm, clarity and tactical empathy. Tactical empathy isn’t about being soft; it’s about being smart. It’s the intentional art of listening, labeling emotions and showing people they’re seen — without letting things spiral into chaos or resentment. Drawing from leadership lessons, clinical psychology and their own missteps, Chris and Kelly lay out 5 solid tools you can start using immediately, from mirroring and eye contact, to setting respectful boundaries. Whether you’re managing late shift changes, dealing with crew conflict or just trying to keep morale afloat, this is an episode that gives you actionable steps — not just leadership fluff. Oh, and if you think “tactical” doesn’t belong in the same sentence as “feelings,” they’re here to prove you wrong. Memorable quotes “Conflict is part of EMS. You cannot avoid it.” — Kelly Grayson “Empathy’s not a rescue mission. It’s a recognition moment.” — Kelly Grayson “The trick isn't avoiding conflict. It's learning how to handle it without crushing morale, without leaving the other side, or having one or both sides feeling that you're showing favorites or you're blind to their concerns.” — Kelly Grayson Enjoying the show? Contact the Inside EMS team at  theshow@ems1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback, or let us know if you’d like to join us as a guest.