Organizer–sociologist Jon Shaffer, PhD, (Defend Public Health / University of Vermont) joins Heather to talk about turning evidence into local, winnable public-health protections. We dig into why “apolitical” public health backfires, how real teams (not one-off mobilizations) build durable power, and practical, nonpartisan roles for scientists and clinicians—even if you only have an hour a month. Though this moment really deserves more from each of us. In this episode:• Why public health is inherently political—and what it costs to ignore that• Organizing vs. advocacy vs. lobbying (and why teams are the power unit)• What a mini-campaign looks like and how it strengthens a new team• Overcoming fear with relationships, stories, and clear, winnable demands• Why state-level organizing fits local political culture—and actually wins Take action:• Join a digital action today: https://www.defendpublichealth.org/get-involved• Set up a 1:1 with Jon to plug into a state team: jonshaff@gmail.com                                        Disclaimer: Views expressed by guests are their own. (Full blog post + transcript at infectiousdose.com )