Ed Marsh is a founder, Army veteran, independent board director, manufacturing marketing expert, and industrial sales leader. He has marketed and sold millions of $ of B2B industrial manufacturing stuff worldwide. Each week on the Industrial Growth Institute, he chats with makers and thinkers, experts and specialists to gather innovative insights, recent trends, and tried & true best practices for B2B business growth. Each episode provides both actionable tips and theory, for everyone from owners and executive management through managers & directors to individual contributors - all in an enjoyable and energetic conversation format.
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Ed Marsh is a founder, Army veteran, independent board director, manufacturing marketing expert, and industrial sales leader. He has marketed and sold millions of $ of B2B industrial manufacturing stuff worldwide. Each week on the Industrial Growth Institute, he chats with makers and thinkers, experts and specialists to gather innovative insights, recent trends, and tried & true best practices for B2B business growth. Each episode provides both actionable tips and theory, for everyone from owners and executive management through managers & directors to individual contributors - all in an enjoyable and energetic conversation format.
Episode 59 - Ted McKenna on The JOLT Effect and Overcoming Buyers' Fear of Messing Up
Industrial Growth Institute
1 hour 17 minutes 40 seconds
6 months ago
Episode 59 - Ted McKenna on The JOLT Effect and Overcoming Buyers' Fear of Messing Up
Stop Losing Deals to Buyer Indecision: How to Apply the JOLT Effect in B2B Sales - Ted McKenna on Episode 59 of the Industrial Growth Institute Podcast
Summary
Ted McKenna, coauthor of The JOLT Effect and founding partner of DCM Insights, joins Ed Marsh to dissect why B2B deals often die not from rejection but from buyer indecision. With research showing that up to 60% of complex B2B deals result in no decision, McKenna explains how fear, not preference for the status quo, is often the culprit.
McKenna introduces the JOLT framework:
Judge indecision - Offer a recommendation - Limit the exploration - Take risk off the table
He explains that JOLT helps sellers overcome buyer hesitation. He emphasizes that indecision is largely rooted in FOMU (Fear of Messing Up), which outweighs even FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) and calls for a more empathetic, confidence-building sales approach.
The discussion also explores:
The psychology of buyer paralysis and risk aversion
How sellers unintentionally worsen indecision
The need for sales to provide structure, guidance, and reassurance
Marketing’s role in preempting fear and simplifying decisions
How sales organizations must evolve to help buyers move forward, not just press harder
This episode is must listen for any enterprise seller facing long sales cycles, multiple stakeholders, and stalled deals.
Key Topics Covered
Psychological roots of indecision in B2B buyers
JOLT: A four-part method to dislodge stuck deals
Why fear of failure trumps fear of missing out
The role of sellers as buyer agents, not persuaders
Tactics to reduce perceived risk in capital decisions
Takeaways
Up to 60% of complex B2B deals result in no decision, often due to fear, not logic.
87% of sales conversations show signs of buyer indecision.
FOMU (Fear of Messing Up) outweighs FOMO and freezes deals.
Buyers fear errors of commission (doing something wrong) more than omission (missing out).
Making a confident recommendation builds trust and reduces risk.
Indecision often stems from options overload, information overload, and expectations overload.
Doubling down on FOMO when a buyer hesitates actually worsens indecision.
Internal politics, previous bad experiences, and execution concerns all feed FOMU.
Sellers must adjust forecasting based on buyer indecision, not just intent.
Multi-threading is essential: more voices = more indecision to uncover.
Buying teams may contain internal saboteurs or passive resistors, so JOLT must be applied across the group.
Help deal champions use JOLT tactics on their own team to move forward.
Sellers can qualify out deals based on a buyer’s incapacity to decide, not just budget.
Post-sale validation (to confirm no regret) should be built into project plans.
“Rip and replace” situations require extra effort to reduce FOMU and show safety nets.
Indecision is rising over time and exacerbated in uncertain economic climates.
AI and unstructured data tools may help detect indecision signals proactively.
Sales differentiation today is more about how you sell than what you sell.
Takeaway Quotes from Ted McKenna
"Indecision is often rooted in fear of failure."
"We have to find ways to actively de-risk that decision."
“The buyer already feels fear—when we pile on more fear, we just make it worse.”
Check out Ted's The JOLT Effect and DCM Insights websites.
LinkedIn: Ted McKenna and Ed Marsh
Twitter: Ed Marsh
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YouTube: @EdMarsh
Show Transcript
Chapters
00:00 Understanding the No Decision Dilemma 02:58 The Jolt Effect and Its Implications 06:00 The Activator Advantage: Insights from Professional Services 09:12 Indecision: The Core of Sales Challenges 12:02 The Fear of Messing Up: A Psychological Barrier 15:04 Navigating Buyer Indecision: Strategies for Sellers 18:06 The Role of Marketing in Reducing Indecision 20:53 Building Trust: The Balance of Confidence in Sales 24:04 Understanding Buying Teams and Their Dynamics 29:58 The Importance of Emotional Intellig
Industrial Growth Institute
Ed Marsh is a founder, Army veteran, independent board director, manufacturing marketing expert, and industrial sales leader. He has marketed and sold millions of $ of B2B industrial manufacturing stuff worldwide. Each week on the Industrial Growth Institute, he chats with makers and thinkers, experts and specialists to gather innovative insights, recent trends, and tried & true best practices for B2B business growth. Each episode provides both actionable tips and theory, for everyone from owners and executive management through managers & directors to individual contributors - all in an enjoyable and energetic conversation format.