Independence by Design™ is a framework to help owner-operators get out of the weeds and lead from the boardroom.
I built it because I lived this trap. In 2009, I joined my dad in our $21M family business. We turned it around and sold it for eight figures in 2014 — enough to pay off debt, cover taxes, let my dad retire, and leave me with a chunk of cash at 27.
But the sale gutted our team, systems, and identity. It looked like a win, but it didn’t feel like freedom. I bawled in the driveway.
After 450+ interviews, thousands of owners, and multiple ventures, I saw the real issue: we didn’t know the difference between being owners and operators. Our goals weren’t aligned. And we had no framework to guide us.
That’s why I built iBD — to help owners avoid regret, reclaim their time, grow real equity value, and build a business that gives them freedom — whether they stay, scale, or sell.
This show is the one I wish I had.
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Independence by Design™ is a framework to help owner-operators get out of the weeds and lead from the boardroom.
I built it because I lived this trap. In 2009, I joined my dad in our $21M family business. We turned it around and sold it for eight figures in 2014 — enough to pay off debt, cover taxes, let my dad retire, and leave me with a chunk of cash at 27.
But the sale gutted our team, systems, and identity. It looked like a win, but it didn’t feel like freedom. I bawled in the driveway.
After 450+ interviews, thousands of owners, and multiple ventures, I saw the real issue: we didn’t know the difference between being owners and operators. Our goals weren’t aligned. And we had no framework to guide us.
That’s why I built iBD — to help owners avoid regret, reclaim their time, grow real equity value, and build a business that gives them freedom — whether they stay, scale, or sell.
This show is the one I wish I had.
#455: Jim Carlisle | Boardroom Ownership: Protecting Value, Preserving Legacy, and Capital Allocation
Independence by Design™
1 hour 17 minutes 42 seconds
2 months ago
#455: Jim Carlisle | Boardroom Ownership: Protecting Value, Preserving Legacy, and Capital Allocation
If your goal is to run your company from the boardroom, the real work isn’t just stepping out of day-to-day operations. It’s making sure the business—and your wealth—are protected no matter what happens. In this conversation with attorney and deal advisor Jim Carlisle. Jim has guided hundreds of owners through sales, ESOPs, continuity crises, and legacy planning—and he’s seen what works, what destroys value, and what keeps owners up at night. We unpack how to think like a capital allocator while protecting your operating asset. Watch on YouTubeThat means three things: 1. Estate readiness – ensuring your ownership transfers the way you want without value lost to taxes, infighting, or missed planning windows. 2. Business operations continuity – having a contingent operational plan so the company runs at full value if you’re suddenly out of the picture. 3. Market readiness – knowing your valuation through multiple lenses so you can seize a premium-price moment in the market without scrambling. Jim shares real-world stories of owners who preserved 100% of their company’s value in a crisis—and others who watched it evaporate in weeks. We get into why continuity planning is different from estate planning, how to stress test your org chart, the role of fiduciary or advisory boards, and how to balance legacy, culture, and net proceeds when offers come in. If you want to keep control, protect what you’ve built, and be ready to move when your goals change or the market says “now,” this episode is your blueprint. Jim Carlisle is a corporate attorney and entrepreneur with 34+ years of experience helping business owners achieve growth, succession, and exit goals. Chair of Dinsmore’s National Growth & Exit Planning and ESOP Transactional Services groups, he guides owners through M&A, ESOPs, estate planning, and business continuity. Drawing on his own ownership experience, he blends legal expertise with practical insight to protect value and preserve legacy.
Chapters:
(00:00) Newsletter launch, three lenses of business valuations overview, reconnecting with Jim Carlisle after shared consulting partnership
(04:34) Jim's practice focus on growth, exit planning and ESOP work
(08:25) Boardroom leadership versus selling and preparing for unexpected events
(13:50) Estate planning versus business continuity planning key differences
(18:15) Stress testing organizational structure and identifying critical leadership gaps
(25:00) Capital allocation mindset and three valuation lenses framework
(34:00) Real world story of engineering firm succession disaster
(42:06) Advisory boards versus fiduciary boards for succession readiness
(50:52) ESOP transactions and tax advantages for business owners
(1:00:28) Advisory fee inflation and serving mid market companies
(1:06:32) Deal structure gotchas and representation and warranty insurance
(1:13:26) Listening to clients versus telling them what you know
Independence by Design™
Independence by Design™ is a framework to help owner-operators get out of the weeds and lead from the boardroom.
I built it because I lived this trap. In 2009, I joined my dad in our $21M family business. We turned it around and sold it for eight figures in 2014 — enough to pay off debt, cover taxes, let my dad retire, and leave me with a chunk of cash at 27.
But the sale gutted our team, systems, and identity. It looked like a win, but it didn’t feel like freedom. I bawled in the driveway.
After 450+ interviews, thousands of owners, and multiple ventures, I saw the real issue: we didn’t know the difference between being owners and operators. Our goals weren’t aligned. And we had no framework to guide us.
That’s why I built iBD — to help owners avoid regret, reclaim their time, grow real equity value, and build a business that gives them freedom — whether they stay, scale, or sell.
This show is the one I wish I had.
