Gordon Porter and Jodie Carr discuss their careers in inclusive education and what motivated them to work in this field. They highlight the importance of equity and fairness in providing education for all students, including those with disabilities. They emphasize the need for support and training for teachers to effectively implement inclusive practices in the classroom. They also discuss the role of school leadership in promoting and implementing inclusive education. However, they acknowledge that challenges still exist and continuous effort is required to maintain and improve inclusive education systems. The conversation explores the process of policy development and implementation for inclusive education. It discusses the history of inclusive education in New Brunswick, the challenges faced, and the successful practices that have been implemented. The importance of political leadership, collaboration, and support from stakeholders is emphasized. The conversation also touches on the funding challenges and the need for a vision of inclusion that acknowledges imperfections. The episode concludes with a mention of the 12 elements of successful inclusive education policy and legislative framework.