In this episode of In The Waves, I talk with Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove about reclaiming a biblical sense of justice as the healing of all things, how cycles of trauma show up in the prison industrial complex, and how a narrowed conception of God diminishes all of us.

Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove is a spiritual writer, preacher, and community-cultivator. He serves as Assistant Director for Partnerships and Fellowships at Yale University’s Center for Public Theology and Public Policy. In 2003, Jonathan and his wife Leah founded the Rutba House, a house of hospitality where the formerly homeless share community with the formerly housed. Jonathan also founded the School for Conversion, a popular education center that works to make “surprising friendships possible” in Durham, North Carolina. He is an Associate Minister at the historically black St. Johns Missionary Baptist Church. He is the author of numerous books including Reconstructing the Gospel and The Wisdom of Stability, and is a co-compiler of the celebrated Common Prayer: A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals. He is also co-author, with Reverend Dr. William Barber II, of The Third Reconstruction: Moral Mondays, Fusion Politics, and the Rise of a New Justice Movement. A Baptist who draws on the broad Christian tradition and its monastic witnesses, Jonathan is a leader in the Red Letter Christian movement and the Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. 

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