This Episode is a Replay In today’s episode, we revisit a conversation with Nora Bateson, President of the International Bateson Institute, about how systemic understanding is essential for grasping the depth of Integrative Health—both on an individual level and in a broader context. This episode was originally recorded in the fall of 2020. Nora, originally from California, now resides in Sweden. Her father, Gregory Bateson, is considered the father of systemic understanding as applied to living systems. In this episode, Nora builds on her father’s teachings, taking them to a new level. She explains what systemic understanding of living systems entails and how we need to expand our perspective beyond the strictly scientific by embracing greater complexity to achieve something more vital. With her gentle and nuanced approach, Nora highlights how the dominant scientific paradigms and explanatory models are no longer sufficient in these rapidly changing times. Thank you for listening to “Both And, Instead of Either Or” Follow us on social media, and please give us five stars on iTunes if you found this episode valuable. Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast! ❤️ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/integrativmedicin ❤️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/integrativMedicin ❤️ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/both_instead_of_either_or