In this episode of In Cards We Trust, Neil and Justin sit down with the legendary collector and hobby thinker, Spinotron (Dingyu). From his early days opening packs in Beijing to assembling one of the most respected collections in the world, Spino shares his origin story, his academic background in math and physics, and how those skills shaped his unique way of analyzing the card market.

🏀 Spino’s first big pulls and the early grails that shaped his collecting journey.

📈 The evolution of the hobby from the 90s to today — including market cycles, “commodity cards” vs. “coffin cards,” and lessons learned from past peaks and dips.

🔍 His methodology: why checklists, scarcity, and historical context matter more than hype.

💎 High-end debates: NT vs. Flawless vs. Immaculate.  

📦 Sealed wax, grading philosophies, authentication, and the importance of provenance.

🌍 The future: digital assets, Panini NFTs, and why Spino believes blockchain cards could rival physical grails for the next generation.