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Thus far the discussion about inclusion has focused a lot on university debate. And whilst the lessons are applicable across debate as a whole, prepare to expand your horizons by a lot in this conversation. Like, not just about schools debating. We're going to look at making debating more inclusive from Sweden to South Africa.  Paidamwoyo has a clear and structured mind, and this conversation lays down the groundwork of all the work we need to do to make sure everyone can reap the benefits of debate education. He's also incredibly constructive in his suggestions. We've managed to analyse the problems in depth, provide suggestions for solving outreach and funding, as well as offer another compelling framework for having the difficult conversations about perceptions and bias that need to become commonplace.  Listen and watch if you want to know more about issues of perceptions and economic exclusion - and how we can do more to solve these problems. 

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