In this episode, Christopher Hobson continues his dialogue with Pete Chambers.  The starting point for this conversation is Naomi Klein’s thought-provoking new book, Doppelganger. Using frames of mirrors, shadows and others, Klein manages to capture something about the deeply weird and warped relations that now prevail between online and the real / ‘real’ world. This serves as a prompt for a wide ranging discussion about how to understand and act in a world in which what is real and what is not blur and bend together, with many of our frames for understanding and seeing being rendered impotent.  For more information, visit imperfectnotes.substack.com and christopherhobson.net.