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If men can't listen to women, maybe they can listen to a man having a conversation with someone who can summon birds to land on her hands.
From the guest:
My name is Florence and I am an artist, naturalist, early childhood educator, and a typical polyamorous Seattlite. In this episode my ADHD and I talk about how biology affects my worldview, how much I hate strip malls, and how I want to be treated as a persona and not just a woman.
From the host:
Surprise guest appearances by my cat and the omnipresent whirring of my 3D printer (my apologies!).
The lecture mentioned in the episode, Eve's Byte of the Apple - Sandi Toksvig
https://youtu.be/UG6Ier4UC_8?si=OtRLI8woiyhRllwb