Allan Katz joined me to discuss Kukla, Fran & Ollie; joining the National Guard; becoming a copywriter; Screaming Yellow Zonkers; George Schlatter calls him; staying in a hotel and writing writing on legal pads; teaming with Larry Siegel on monologues; Laugh In skits almost like an ad; Bill Richmond; meeting Orson Welles; Lily Tomlin; writing freelance All in the Family and Sanford & Son episodes; creating the character of Julio; working on Thicker and Water and pilot Lampoon; ABC Comedy News with Richard Pryor, Bob & Ray, and Albert Brooks; writing for Jackie Gleason & Mary Tyler Moore; M*A*S*H*, Alan Alda a great person person to work with; Alan's wife being in the cast; Cher not caring about comedy on her show, relegating her cast of Teri Garr, Steve Martin & Martin Mull with nothing to do; working on Rhoda; Valerie Harper a perfectionist in the best way; Paul Sorvino could be a jerk; working with Kenneth McMillan, Gene Reynolds, and Henry Morgan; Ginger Rogers on The Love Boat; writing an opera Zapata with Harry Nillson; its star, Sean Elliott; writing two pilots for Karen Valentine, including TV version of The Goodbye Girl; realizing that Molly Gordon of the Bear is his friend Bryan Gordon's daughter; business of TV; Charlie and Company; Flip Wilson is difficult while rest of cast was great; producing a series Roxie, whose star Andrea Martin, wanted to do a variety series; Scorch; writing a very special Blossom; Big Man on Campus; filming a movie Bucky and the Squirrels as a college film course project