Are we overestimating the power of digital networks and underestimating what happens when people truly meet? In this episode of Business Dialogues, Ivar Davids (Social Impact Factory) and Frank van de Ven (i-team Global) reflect on the importance of physical connection in a world of virtual overload. From creating trusted environments to designing spaces that accelerate ideas, they share how real-world experiences build trust, fuel creativity, and help scale impact. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why real trust is built in real spaces, not on screens How physical design can trigger mindset shifts and collaboration Why combining offline presence with digital reach drives real impact With examples ranging from apple pie to ambassador programs, this episode is a thoughtful conversation on the human side of transformation.