Orthopedic surgeon and businessman Dr Oatile Phakathi and Road engineer Tiyiselani Mashele speak about how they became friends and the shortcomings of the South African schooling system. They talk about their family histories and how they have affected their mental health.

They talk about therapy and how it has helped shape their life even despite it being taboo amongst black men and black families in general. They share personal problems that they have had to face and each didn’t know about even though they are friends.

They also touch on their love of cycling.