In this conversation, Ines and I discuss her work as a Palestinian advocate on the international stage and the challenges faced by Palestinians in their struggle for liberation. She highlights the role of alternative diplomacy, the fragmentation of Palestinian society, and the role of civil society in advocating for rights. Ines critiques the complicity of international actors, like the US and Europe, and the media in perpetuating the status quo, occupation and genocide, while also highlighting the importance of digital platforms in amplifying Palestinian voices. She calls for new models of leadership and questions the effectiveness of state recognition in achieving true liberation for Palestinians.Chapters00:00 Ines's Background and Personal Journey01:16 Understanding Alternative Diplomacy03:07 Challenges of Palestinian Civil Society05:40 The Role of International Complicity07:25 Strategies for Advocacy and Mobilization09:40 The Impact of Media and Narrative Warfare12:24 Navigating US Politics and International Relations13:58 The Role of Digital Platforms in Advocacy16:18 Emerging Leadership Models for Palestinians18:32 Recognition of Palestinian Statehood and Its Implications20:42 Conclusion and Future DirectionsKeywordsPalestine, advocacy, alternative diplomacy, civil society, international relations, liberation, digital platforms, leadership, recognition