In this follow-up episode with Katia Erokhina we revisit a conversation that never made it to air (thanks, tech gremlins). Ironically — or maybe perfectly — that first recording was all about imperfection, letting go of control and embracing the messiness of being human. So we leaned into the redo and what emerged was deeper, more spacious and somehow even more alive.

Katia shares her journey from Moscow to gestalt therapist, from existential 14-year-old to someone creating safe, relational spaces for others to meet themselves — as they are. We talk about unearned rest, the pressure to be “better,” the stories that shape our worthiness, and what it really means to give ourselves permission to just be.

There’s plenty in here on the messy art of therapy (on both sides of the room), the gift of long-term support and the radical idea that we don't always need to know — we can let it unfold.

Whether you’re a therapist, a client, or just a human trying to figure it out — this one’s for you.

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