Welcome to Human Element, a podcast by Ben April, CTO at Maltego, focused on exploring the experiences and perspectives that shape cybersecurity leadership. In each episode, we speak with industry leaders to uncover the challenges they’ve encountered, the pivotal decisions that have influenced their careers, and the human dynamics that continue to shape the cybersecurity landscape beyond the technical domain.
All content for Human Element is the property of Maltego and is served directly from their servers
with no modification, redirects, or rehosting. The podcast is not affiliated with or endorsed by Podjoint in any way.
Welcome to Human Element, a podcast by Ben April, CTO at Maltego, focused on exploring the experiences and perspectives that shape cybersecurity leadership. In each episode, we speak with industry leaders to uncover the challenges they’ve encountered, the pivotal decisions that have influenced their careers, and the human dynamics that continue to shape the cybersecurity landscape beyond the technical domain.
DTCC’s Scott Scher on Structured Disagreement and Intellectual Humility in CTI Leadership
Human Element
51 minutes
6 days ago
DTCC’s Scott Scher on Structured Disagreement and Intellectual Humility in CTI Leadership
Scott Scher, Associate Director - Cyber Threat Intelligence, DTCC has built his career on a counterintuitive premise: effective intelligence teams provide justification for security decisions rather than predictions about future threats. This reframing shifts CTI from being blamed for "unforeseen events” towards being recognized as a core function that builds defensible risk management frameworks across entire security organizations.
Scott discusses managing upward to leadership that lacks CTI expertise while maintaining technical rigor, the transition from tactical analyst to strategic leader, and why intelligence teams must proactively define AI integration rather than having it imposed by vendors promising to automate analysis workflows.
His perspective on team culture emphasizes empowerment through transparency, creating psychological safety where challenging leadership demonstrates engagement rather than insubordination, and hiring for thinking process rather than technical credentials.
Stories We’re Telling Today:
Intelligence as organizational justification creating defensible risk decisions rather than attempting to predict future threat actor behavior
Structured analytic techniques and admiralty coding turning subjective assessments into methodology-backed frameworks
Using structured disagreement where leaders deliberately argue opposing positions to stress-test analysis and eliminate groupthink
Managing upward to senior leadership lacking CTI expertise who make decisions based on informal channels rather than formal intelligence assessments
AI's capability to replicate core intelligence functions and why teams must proactively define integration approaches
Hiring for thinking process and intellectual curiosity rather than technical credentials alone
Creating psychological safety where team members can challenge leadership decisions, demonstrating engagement, not insubordination
Process documentation and structured methodologies serving as essential scaffolding that enables consistency, training, and institutional knowledge retention
Too busy; didn’t listen:
Scott Scher positions CTI as organizational justification for security decisions rather than prediction, creating defensible frameworks.
Structured analytic techniques, source reliability coding, and documented methodologies elevate subjective analysis into quantifiable risk management that withstands executive scrutiny.
Effective intelligence leadership requires building team cultures where challenging leadership demonstrates intellectual engagement.
AI can already replicate core intelligence functions, making it imperative that CTI teams define integration approaches before vendors impose automation from above.
The transition to senior leadership involves managing upward to executives who lack CTI expertise, balancing technical skill maintenance with strategic stakeholder relationship building.
Skip to the Highlight of the episode:
[14:51 - 15:11] Diversity of thought is probably the most important thing you can have. Diversity in other areas as well is equally as important. And that brings different perspectives. Diversity of life experiences. Diversity of socioeconomic experience, things like that. Difference in education, all of that. I think that's all super important because it brings all those perspectives, because that's what you need.
Listen to more episodes:
Apple
Spotify
YouTube
Website
Human Element
Welcome to Human Element, a podcast by Ben April, CTO at Maltego, focused on exploring the experiences and perspectives that shape cybersecurity leadership. In each episode, we speak with industry leaders to uncover the challenges they’ve encountered, the pivotal decisions that have influenced their careers, and the human dynamics that continue to shape the cybersecurity landscape beyond the technical domain.