In this episode, author Tom Brown joins to discuss his book The Mind of The Minister, offering a candid look into the complex relationship between ministers and civil servants. He explores how trust, training, and the quality of advice shape effective governance, and examines the impact of political appointments on the civil service. The conversation touches on the role of precedent in democracy, the need for clear standards in a time of global democratic uncertainty, and the evolving responsibilities of political advisors. Tom also highlights the importance of diversity in government—emphasizing both the opportunities it brings for innovation and the challenges it poses for leadership. Insightful and timely, this episode unpacks what it takes to lead and serve effectively in today’s political landscape.