In this episode Alby speaks to Oscar, Grammy, Tony, and Golden Globe Award-winning songwriter Benj Pasek, best known for his work on La La Land and Dear Evan Hansen, the play that inspired this conversation. In this conversation, Benj explores how our modern society, characterised by a lack of community and connection, pushes people to alternative ways of connection through the prism of grief. And explains how, when people are moving through real pain, whether in moments of depression or grief, we should resist from jumping into action and fixing: "instead of throwing a rope down a well to lift someone out, it's better to climb down and just sit with them". We hope you enjoy it.