Like any discipline international law is influenced by a variety of philosophical ideas and ideologies. When exploring the legal system the influence of certain ideologies during specific timepoints becomes evident. When the international community is in the midst of great catastrophe, utopian ideologies seem to play a decisive role. On the other hand, when the legal system is being undermined, realism plays a strong influence. So why do States bind together around utopian ideas in times of need, and why do States undermine international law? In this episode we talk to our very own Dr. Deepak Mawar about his book States Undermining International Law, utopia and more. We also have a special guest-host, Dr. Carl Lewis joining us for this episode.