Tiffany Duvernay-Smith and Amiyoko Shabazz are fierce, funny, and full of truth. Both were once homeless. Both now lead advocacy efforts to reform a system that helped them — and failed them. In this episode, they share what it’s really like inside permanent supportive housing, why “support” is too often missing, and how tokenism and broken case management leave people isolated and retraumatized after they’re housed.

This isn’t an attack on Housing First — it’s a call to do it right.

If you care about housing justice, tenant dignity, or what it means to truly center people over programs, you need to hear this conversation.