What do you do when a leader's public persona doesn't match who they are behind the scenes?

In this episode we sat down with Chuck DeGroat.

Chuck is a therapist, a professor at Western Seminary in Holland MI, and the author of 5 books (Including When Narcissism Comes to Church, and most recently Healing What’s Within: 

And this episode was a deep dive on all things narcissistic church leadership.

In this episode Chuck:

• gave us an operating definition of narcissism,

• shared some of the signs of a narcissistic leader,

• clarified the difference between narcissistic leadership and a narcissistic system,

• and shared a bit about how you heal and move forward after having an experience with narcissistic leadership in church.