Dr. John Draper, The former Director of 988, America’s nationwide Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, joins me for a raw, hopeful, and deeply practical conversation about what really helps in our darkest moments.

We unpack the origin story of 988, how the system works behind the scenes, the power of compassionate listening, and what every one of us can do to keep someone here tomorrow.

With lived experience and field-tested wisdom, Dr. Draper shares the language of de-escalation, the myths that keep people silent, and the small actions that save lives. This episode is a masterclass in crisis response, community care, and human connection, and a reminder that none of us are alone.

If you or someone you love is struggling, you can call or text 988 in the U.S. for free, confidential support, 24/7.

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