In this episode, we’re joined by Rachel Lindley, Hannah Wichmann, and Samantha Muli from Five Talents to explore a bold shift in how development is done: What if communities—not donors—defined success, owned their data, and led the path forward?

Five Talents supports women entrepreneurs across Eastern Africa through savings groups, but their approach goes far beyond finance. It’s a story of transformation—from traditional microcredit to a savings-led model rooted in literacy, dignity, and community ownership. Along the way, they’ve reimagined monitoring and evaluation—not as a donor checkbox, but as a participatory, empowering process that drives real learning.

In this conversation, we unpack how technology, like CommCare, plays a critical role—not just in digitizing data, but in strengthening trust, visibility, and inclusion at every level. We hear about the approach and impact of one specific program addressing human wildlife conflict in the Tsavo Conservation Area of Kenya. And we reflect on the evolving aid landscape, and what the future could look like if communities were at the center, and technology served as a bridge—not a barrier—to locally led change.

If you’ve ever wondered what truly participatory aid looks like in action, this is the episode for you.