In this episode, HFIG talks to Dr. John Flach, Senior Cognitive Systems Engineer at Mile Two in Ohio, and Dr. Alex Kirlik, Professor of Computer Science and Electrical and Computer Engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Dr. Flach and Dr. Kirlik share insights into the past, present, and future of HF, the subjects of ecological psychology and control theory, and many other topics!