In this conversation, Scott talks about the funk he’s been in, the loneliness he’s been feeling, and how his mind has had the reins for days and is hellbent on making him miserable. The friends talk about feeling destabilized and how difficult it can be sometimes, even if you’ve got all the tools, to work your way back to a more grounded place. They discuss holding space for life’s many contradictions, and that truth can live in exact opposite perspectives. They talk about how, as teachers, they approach discussing the times they’re struggling: whether to share while you’re in the midst of the struggle or to wait until you have some insights on the other side of it.