Welcome back to Here’s the Caveat, the show where leaders get challenged, stretched, and sharpened because great leadership isn’t safe, and it sure isn’t soft.

Today’s episode? It starts in a place you wouldn’t expect:
A corner booth.
A plate of breadsticks.
And a conversation that changed everything.

I call it The Olive Garden Moment.

We all have one.
It’s that unexpected moment, in a place that feels casual, maybe even insignificant, where something gets revealed.
Something that shows you the gap between who you say you are… and how you’re actually showing up.

You’re going to hear a story today that might sound ordinary, but buried in it is a truth about integrity, identity, and how we treat people when the spotlight is off.

Because leadership isn’t about how you perform in the boardroom.
It’s about who you are at the table. Any table.

So pull up a chair.
It’s time to talk about the kind of leadership that shows up… even at Olive Garden.