In today’s episode, we are joined by Cari Pang Chen, Director of Innovation, Strategy & Planning at the Forestry and Fire Recruitment Program (FFRP). At FFRP, she plays a crucial role in helping formerly incarcerated individuals transition into firefighting careers through comprehensive training, certifications, and mentorship. We discuss the significant barriers these individuals face, including low wages—just over a dollar an hour—and the struggle to transfer the valuable skills gained during incarceration to post-release employment. Nonetheless, Chen highlights this unique and transformative opportunity to shift from incarceration to public service, a stark contrast to a system that so often perpetuates the reverse. She reflects on the adaptability required to tackle emergencies like the LA fires and underscores how this program offers a vital sense of possibility for many marginalized (zero to hero). Chen finds the greatest reward of mentorship witnessing the growth of confidence in each individual and the positive impact on their families as they continue to graduate. 

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

01:40 Early Life and Hawaii

05:00 FFRP’s Mission 

07:03 Training and Employment Challenges

10:40 California’s Fire Camps 

15:50 Community Impact and Partnerships

22: 56 Transition from College Education to Career Journey 

25:11 Rewards: Personal Relationships Built