"Belonging is what makes vulnerability survivable."

In this episode of Hearth 2 Heart, Gayathri Shukla sits down with Andrea Silverstone and Carrie McManus from Sagesse to explore the deep connection between belonging and innovation, drawing lessons from their latest book, Innovation at the Back of the Bus.

Through personal stories, they reveal how feelings of worthiness—or the lack of it—impact our ability to create, collaborate, and push for systemic change. Drawing from their new book Innovation at the Back of the Bus, they discuss why vulnerability is key to meaningful innovation, how healing attachment wounds supports stronger communities, and why fun and failure must coexist on the path to real social change.

Content Warning: This episode includes mention of domestic and sexual abuse in the context of Sagesse’s work. Please listen with care. 

Resources:

• Sagesse.org
• CampfireKinship.com